JasonLook for a debris-clogged pressure control switch - or debris clogged pressure tube between switch and tank. Square D by Schneider Electric 9013FSG2J24M4 Air-Pump Pressure Switch, NEMA 1, 40-60 psi Pressure Setting, 20-65 psi Cut-Out, 15-30 psi Adjustable Differential, Low-Pressure Cut-Off 4.6 out of 5 stars 171 $27.95$27.95 Get it as soon as Fri, Sep 4 On 2016-08-29 by (mod) re: water stops for 10 seconds every few minutes. My problem is that the pump,turns on what the hunter controller tells it to but shuts down right away. Thanks! Eric please search InspectApedia for WATER PUMP SHORT CYCLING to read the causes, diagnosis, and cure of this problem. Then when the pressure is full It Turns Off, but not before it flutters off and on about 10 times.. this is a brand-new problem after I had to replace a piece of pipe that burst during a freeze. My pump runs for 20 seconds then shut off. I also fiddled with the small nut. It's uncommon to see a shutoff valve between pump and pressure tank, in part because unless you've got other special controls installed, the absence of the air cushion in the tank can cause horrible short-cycling of the pump that in turn damages it. It took several adjustments to fine tune (I also bought a new gauge), but I think I've got it set very close to what it was before. Typically residential switches run 20/40 or 30/50 psi.Check the labels and instructions that are on your switch to be double sure it works the same way as the models I've described above.It isn't odd for a pump to run continuously when multiple faucets are open - it's a function of the pump's ability to deliver water (gpm, or pump horsepower) AND the well flow rate. . Discussion in 'Pumps and Tanks Well Forum & Blog. Mt tank pressure seems to be at a cut on of 20psi and cut off of 50psi. But before replacing the pump I'd look more closely at the pressure control switch; for example, if the plumbing work stirred up debris in the system, crud could be blocking the pressure sensing input of the pressure control switch, causing it to misbehave. I can see condensation line above the half way line on the tank. I adjusted both the range and differential, unfortunately in the wrong order. On 2015-08-06 by (mod) re: signs of a debris clogged Pumptrol Square D FSG2J20CP. The pump comes on at 20 psi. On 2015-11-24 by (mod) can the spring in the adjustment nuts be replaced? - Martin 7/19/12. This switch has a 30 psi to 50 psi pressure setting range activates an electrically driven water pump within a power circuit when the adjustable rising and falling thresholds are reached. Jack, if the pump does not start at pressures below the cut- in point of 20 psi, the switch may be bad. Why would the pressure go back without the power to the pump and switch being on? Adjust a Square D well pressure switch by turning it clockwise to raise the pressure and counter-clockwise to decrease the pressure. Pump Pressure Switch Pumptrol™ Nut Adjustment Sequence. - BigEd 7/16/11, The pump will not come on. On 2016-07-02 by (mod) re: effect of too small a difference between pump cut-in and cut-out pressure on the control switch. When I am running my sprinkler system the water pressure does not get above 50 psi and the pump runs continuously. I recently adjusted my air pressure and my cut in and cut pressures. My well is for outdoor irrigation only and has a very small (maybe 3-5 gallon?) When forced to on postion they bounce right back into off ppostion. Thanks - Steve Holloway 8/19/11. Anon 7/20/12, Check for a clogged pressure sensor or tube feeding pressure to the switch, We have a relatively new well at our hunting camp/farm, about the same time the pressure switch went bad and needed replaced, ever since it was replaced (almost 2 years now) the water will go off for no apparent reason, then someone has to go to the basement and flip the switch off (water can be heard flowing at this point) then flip it back on and the pump begins to run again. - Mike 7/25/12. On 2016-07-04 by (mod) re: pressure vs flow rate of water. The NEMA 1 enclosure has a 1/4 in. "click,click,click,click, then it finally sticks or maintains contact and the pump fills up the tank and stops. The cycle used to be charge up to 42 psi, cut out and settle at 40 psi, draw down to 30 psi and then the pump would cut in. See the article PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTSand also search our site to read this oneWATER PUMP PRESSURE CONTROL ADJUSTMENT. - David 11/5/11. Instead it hovers around 55 psi despite several attempts at increasing (clock-wise) the differential setting. What is my problem? Square D by Schneider Electric 9013FSG2J24M4 Air-Pump Pressure Switch, NEMA 1, 40-60 psi Pressure Setting, 20-65 psi Cut-Out, 15-30 psi Adjustable Differential, Low-Pressure Cut-Off 4.6 out of 5 stars 289 First of all, my apologies if this question has already been asked and answered, I'm new to the site. On 2015-05-18 by (mod) Check the pump itself for a damaged impeller. bladder tank and pressure switch set-up. PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENT FAQs at InspectApedia.com - online encyclopedia of building & environmental inspection, testing, diagnosis, repair, & problem prevention advice. I have no clue what is going on and seeing if someone could help. R&R the switch and mounting tube.In a different direction, if someone messed with the adjustment nuts on the pressure switch they could have left it in an improper setting position. Pump has worked fine until today for some reason it kept running after the 'timer' stopped. The factory settings for the switch sure aren't even close to being right though. The Pumptrol FSG2J20BP electromechanical pressure switch by Square D is the most trusted brand in residential, commercial and industrial pumping applications. Before pursuing mod's suggestions, the following two tests were performed: 1) To prove the water pressure gauge OK, a dial type automobile tire pressure gauge was used (directly, at the top) on the well pressure tank. If I remember I had a 20-40 pressure switch that was adjusted to 40-55 so that when taking a shower we would not notice the low pressure. WHY? The article PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS gives details of how to set the cut-in and cut-out; they are not quite independent adjustments. Square "D" Pressure Switch, Factory PSI Setting 80-100, Differential PSI 20 (Smaller HP) Square "D" Pressure Switch, Factory PSI Setting 95-125, Differential PSI 30 (Smaller HP) Price: $44.82. Adjust the Big Spring Nut #1. Andre:Please take a look at the pressure switch adjustment information in PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS. On 2017-07-07 by (mod) re: sprinkler system makes the pump run continuously, Jim,My guess is that there isn't something further that you can do, because the rate at which you are drawing water exceeds the flow rate of your well or the pumping rate of your pump. If you try to replace the presure switch while pressure is still on the system you are going to have problems! I have loosened the small nut, and there is no room too loosen it anymore!Whats could be the problem here? The pressure switch is a 30-50 psi switch. Dan that sounds like short cycling to me. I have no leaks, could this be the water tank?I need help - Ed 6/18/12, My pump does not exceed 32psi and constantly runs then fails to cut back on even though pressure drops below 20psi. thanks - Mike Jones 8/22/11. On 2016-09-28 16:07:26.366930 by stuart renouf. On 2015-08-17 by (mod) re: adjust the range nut on the Pumptrol Square D FSG2J20C Ppressure control switch, Gene,Adjust the RANGE nut first (explained in PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS), then try fine tuning with the second nut, I replaced my old well pump switch 20/40 with a new one (Pumptrol Square D FSG2J20CP). I can clearly hear the pump and I know the cycle isnât long enough. Nov 2009. The Pumptrol FSG2J21BP electromechanical pressure switch by Square D is the most trusted brand in residential, commercial and industrial pumping applications. It certainly doesn't seem to be a difference of 20psi. That sounds right, Bill but it's rather unusual to get a brand new but bad pressure control switch.I didn't quite understand in your note " 2) There is a ball valve on the 1/4" pipe between the water pressure switch and the tank T. That valve was turned off once the cut-in took place. Please help. Once you have the pump operating normally in that pressure range you can try increasing the cut out, or both cut-in and cut-out gradually. Operates regulation between 2 thresholds (with an adjustable differential). - Meg 9/2/11. If you are losing pressure quickly I suspect your water pressure tank is waterlogged - use the search box just above to find and check out these diagnosis and repair articlesWATER TANK AIR, HOW TO ADDWELL PUMP SHORT CYCLING CAUSES. If you need any more details just ask. Jen when the pump turns on and then immediately off it's as if there is no air in the pressure tank - so as water is not very compressible, the system reaches cutoff pressure immediately. Commercial/Light Industrial Pressure Switch is used to control electrically driven water pumps and air compressors. thank you for answering me fast. You could reduce the flow demand of your sprinkler system by partly closing its supply valve but that may not work for you as it also means that sprinkler distance will be reduced. FTVOGUE 40-60PSI 110V-230V Water Pump Pressure Control Switch Adjustable Double Spring Pole I run the water the pump clicks on and off every 10 seconds. There is no water pressure. Watch out: messing with a pump pressure control switch exposes live electrical connections - you can be killed if you touch live wires. This is a 30/50 psi switch. Gene:Check first for a blockage that would cause the pump to immediately reach cut-off pressure; monitor the actual system pressure to see what's happening. Between the pump and the timer is a relay and on the pump itself is a pressure switch. The switch has a 1/4 in. We have a relatively new well at our hunting camp/farm, about the same time the pressure switch went bad and needed replaced, ever since it was replaced (almost 2 years now) the water will go off for no apparent reason, then someone has to go to the basement and flip the switch off (water can be heard flowing at this point) then flip it back on and the pump begins to run again. I think he's hit with a pressure then the switch with simply not call or water outrun and you would have no water, my water pressure starts out strong but drops off after about 1 minute then no water at all i have 30 psi could this be relay, On 2017-05-19 by (mod) re: cut in pressure is too low, Probably need to adjust the range or larger nut first then the smaller not only the details in the article PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS .Let us know how that works for you, My cut-in pressure is too low 8 psi. How can a New Jet Pump Cause Pressure Switch Problems. i only closed one valve when i changed the switch, the main line in to the house. - Rep 6/5/12, My switch cycles constantly and finally (sticks and holds contact. - Pumptrol Pressure Switch Installation & Wiring … Any advice would be helpful. - Alan McKee 8/17/11. water pressure at a building. Shaun the pump might still be actually going off at 60 if the gauge is clogged with debris and reading inaccurately. my pump is set that immediately when any tap is opened it will come on and cut off when closed. Water is life.' We've checked no water is turned on any where. I've often seen that a pressure gauge reads higher when the pump is running and drops at pump shutoff. After turning off the power to my well pump and pressure switch and bleed the water pressure down to 25 psi; I returned about 10 minutes later and the pressure had gone back to 80 PSI. InspectAPedia tolerates no conflicts of interest. What would cause this?? This article series also includes information on how to adjust building municipal or community The NEMA 1 enclosure has a 1/4 in. Adjusting the Square D well pressure switch increases the water pressure through the entire house. i have changed the pressure switch and am still experiencing the problem. we don't have the money to hire some one to do this it is the well itself so how do i do it ourselves - Mike 7/29/12. The FSG2J20BP has a 20 psi to 40 psi pressure setting range activates an electrically driven water pump within a power circuit when the adjustable rising and falling thresholds are reached. This is a cottage application. The main T and all fittings have been changed out and replaced with same size lead free parts. I will check that again. As it reacts to that pressure change in the system the pressure switch generates or drops an outgoing signal that is used to initiate another action. A-t-Q.2). I didn't check the cut in pressures before I made the change, just assuming it was set correctly. I agree and was surprised to encounter a half-dead-on-arrival water pressure switch. And yes a debris-clogged pressure switch can fail to respond properly to actual pressure. … Chances are the switch you have is fine but needs re-adjustment, as long as its adjustment range (per its specs) meets your needs.At pressures over 70 (or slightly higher) there is a second risk of recurrent leaks at plumbing fixtures or piping. - Jim Gale 10/17/11, what can be wrong with my well i put a new pressurer swithch the blader tank is good not lossing air but pump cut on and off ever two min what do i have to do to fix the problem - Anon 3/1/12, The pump is new and the pressure tank is old and the pressure switch is new. This seems to point to the pressure switch being faulty. I would expect the pressure switch would cut off the pump at 40 psi (given the cut-on psi of 20), but it goes until it hits 65-70psi then rockets up to 90-100psi before shutting off. I called Square D (Schneider Electric) customer service and they directed me to a local distributor to begin the process for getting a warranty replacement.Answer-to-Questions: A-t-Q.1) The water pressure switch is not sensing water tank pressure when that ball valve is closed. I recently replaced the pressure switch and now experience a lower cold water pressure. Thank you. Turn the nut on top of the large spring to raise the cut in and cut off pressures. When that happens the pump will simply run continuously. Thoughts on the probable cause would be appreciated. Some pumps can run all day without griping while other models may overheat and ultimately fail.Please take a look at WATER PUMP DUTY CYCLE https://inspectapedia.com/water/Water_Pump_Duty_Cycle.php and let me know what you think after reading that.Daniel. pressure tank is at 38 lbs and the cycle ran for about 60 seconds.any suggestions? John: are we talking "pressure" - (measure when no water is running) - or "flow rate" (that normal people call "pressure" but is really flow rate in gpm) ?A poor cold water flow while there is good hot water flow means it's not a system problem but a valve that's partly closed or a pipe that's partly blocked somewhere in the system.Another possibility is that the switch you replaced was actually set to a higher cut-in pressure than you realized. When the gauge read 61 psi, the safety switch on the nearby wall (actually right behind the water pressure tank and within reach without taking any steps) was turned to the off position. Now he tells me he thinks this new problem is the well pump....seems very convenient to have 2 major things go bad at exactly the same time. What might be the cause of this problem? Try the search box just below, or if you prefer, post a question or comment in the Comments box below and we will respond promptly. Switch is adjusted very low for cutout. I have a water pump that is used for my lawn sprinklers. Check switch operation several times after adjustment to ensure proper pressure setting. RichardPlease search InspectApedia.com for PUMP WON'T STOP RUNNING to read how to diagnose and fix the problem. we have been watering trees in yard, now for some reson our pup runs out of water. You could try removing the switch, replacing or cleaning the small diameter mounting tube for that device (where water flows up to push on the switch bottom), and if necessary replace the switch. See the article titled WATER TANK AIR, HOW TO ADD (links at the ARTICLE INDEX the bottom of this article )You might also have a problem of sediment clogging at the pressure sensing switch and gauge both - even if you replaced the switch if its mounting tube were clogged the problem would continue. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Turned out the tank pressure was to high without adjusting the pressure switch. It should work ok even if there is, but if there is anything that would restrict the pressure flow to the switch you will have the fluttering you are describing. If the irrigation system draws water fast enough, or if the pressure tank has an air charge, the symptom you describe should not occur. Only 15 left in stock - order soon. On 2015-05-20 by (mod) re: no shutoff between pump and pressure tank. How can I get the cut in back to 30. Darn this is one complicated simple thing had an actual repairman herre didnt fix it and been trying to adjust the,m nuts myself but only thing being adjusted is my nuttyness level. - Jack Nelson 7/7/12. Suitable for jet pumps, submersible pumps and reciprocating pumps. Follow the instructions inside the cap. The cycles are normal in the sense that no run-away situations have occurred with the Gould 10 gpm submersible pump. The Pumptrol FSG2J21M4CP electromechanical pressure switch by Square D is the most trusted brand in residential, commercial and industrial pumping applications. Isn't the point of the pressure switch & bladder tank to make the pump stay on while water is running, keeping the pressure constant? Don't just replace the switch as the most likely problem is a waterlogged pressure tank. There is little room left to compress the differential spring any further. Then once that is done repower and repressurize the system. Type FHG - PUMPTROL Compressor Pressure Switch NPSF internal fluid connection and screw clamp terminals. But when you add that running just a few gallons of water turns the pump back on, that suggests that the tank has lost its air charge. Only way to start it is to manually connect the flow switch to engage the pump. A pressure switch is simply a device that reacts to the changing pressure in a system. Could someone help me with what all these settings should be and best way to adjust them. Is this too short of time for it to run or should it run for about a minute, My pump does not hold pressure and I have to add air constantly to the bladder. On 2016-07-04 by (mod) re: factory pre-set pressure control switch settings. i have a jrs7 goulds jet pump 3/4 hp, recently i have been encountering a problem which i cant seem to rectify. See WATER PUMP WONT STOP RUNNING for a thorough diagnostic procedure, Ed:If the pump runs all the time even when you turn OFF water from the pressure tank into the building, then since you've excluded the control itself:- the pressure sensing port on the pressure switch may not be seeing actual water pressure if the small diameter tube or pipe feeding pressure to the switch is clogged- you may have a leak in well piping in the well or in the ground between house and well.- you may have a damaged pump impeller that is not developing enough pressure to reach switch cutoff- or something else. I have a submersible pump at a depth of 120'. when I flush the toilet my well pump cycles on to 70 lbs then right off and drops to 40 lbs and back on to 70 lbs then drops down to 40lbs and back on to 70 lbs it does this 21 or 22 times in a matter of just a couple of minutes then it stays at 40 or 39 lbs. How do I raise the cut-in pressure up to about 25 psi?The differencial nut is backed off so the spring is loose. My pressure switch reads 60 psi. BillCheck the pump itself for a damaged impeller; check also for low voltage, and for leaks in the piping system. The range on the switch doesn't seem to be right at all. I didn't notice for a while and by the time I got to the pump, it was really hot. Or use the SEARCH BOX found below to Ask a Question or Search InspectApedia. We have a good diagnostic article for the problem you describe that can be found by using the search box just about to look forPUMP RUNS FOR NO REASON, If no water is running anywhere, I will look for a leak in the world piping or a failed foot valve, The system is losing pressure fast and I do not know why, My pump is coming on every minute for a short period, even when no water in the house is running, On 2017-05-20 by (mod) re: water pressure falls off after a minute, That sounds more likely you are suffering from a well with a very poor floor and will recover. Probably, if the pump has an overload cut-off capability. Basically the larger nut shifts the whole operating pressure range (cut in and cut out) up or down while the smaller nut adjusts the differential between the cut in and cut out. BK: Well pump won't stop running: try setting your pressure control to turn on at 20 psi and off at 40 psi. My well pump should cycle 30 seconds min acording to county code and it only cycles for 10 seconds why? I have the cut-out pressure set at 45 psi. Now it i cutting in at forty psi and cutting out at fifty psi. On 2017-04-06 by (mod) re: typical pump cut in and cut out pressure settings, Jason there are two very typical setting pairs: 20/40 psi or 30/50 psiThe lower number is the "on" or CUT IN pressure (and your pressure tank should be precharged to 2 psi below that)The higher number is the "off" or CUT OUT pressure, What should the high and low pressure be set at for on/off of the pump. JohnAs long as the pressure is under 70 psi you are probably below the limits of your water pressure tank - though you should check that by taking a look at the tank's installation manual (or give me the brand and model and we'll help research it).You should also have a pressure relief valve installed at the water tank tee.The article PRESSURE SWITCH NUT ADJUSTMENTS describes how to adjust the large and small pressure switch nuts, what each does and how they relate. On 2015-03-09 by (mod) re: variations in pressure switch controls. Apologies for the delay. You can adjust the smaller nut to narrow the differential if you like - just don't make the cut-in too close to the cut-out or your pump may turn on and off too often and overheat. Square D by Schneider Electric Pressure Switches You’ll notice quality even before you take your new Square D brand pressure switch out of the box. Please help! The range nut changes the cut-out pressure but the cut-in pressure never changes.Thank you, On 2017-05-09 by (mod) re: system loses pressure quickly when water is running & pump runs more often, WilliamTypical cut-in / cut-out pressures are 20/40 or 30/50. I'll turn the pump off and back on then the pressure will come back up and if it runs about a couple of minutes it will do the same thing again. When the pump is turned on it maintains a pressure of 50 until the timer turns it off and the zones have finished their timed cycles. It tracked the water pressure gauge correctly, so we now know that gauge is OK. 2) There is a ball valve on the 1/4" pipe between the water pressure switch and the tank T. That valve was turned off once the cut-in took place. It is fine for several hours and again the same thing happens. 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